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This part of a scene: [i]That helped to alleviate an otherwise potentially awkward situation with their new allies. [b]On the other hand, even so[/b] their new allies were also having a good time mocking Aggfred and Snoggard’s reeling and periodic retching.
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On the other hand or even so, but not both. It doesn’t parse with both.

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I didn’t feel that Tom was underrepresented at any point.

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Probably a typo of reincarnation although since reincarnation is apparently not the Phoenix Cycle per Vulcan then I guess rebirth would be more accurate.

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I vote Harbinger. It’s not quite Apostle but it indicates someone with authority to wreak havoc and set terms.

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You could just replace the final “the D’Wargs” with “of their legendary steeds” or “legendary xyz”.

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Spot on.

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I see that D0A_Apostles_of_Doom_Alpha_1.zip is up, but it contains the PDF rather than the EPUB file.

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[quote=Oryn_starheart ;4308]drank the potion where do I need to haul my scaled form to to consume Tag’s pre writings?[/quote]

http://www.astlan.net/TheBooks/TheApostlesofDoomBetaBook.aspx

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I know how it is handled in the Abyss. It has an absolute value function built in.
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Do you mean that if an antimus being entered the Abyss you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between it and an animus version? Or that all antimus beings in the Abyss become animus beings and when they return to their home localverse they revert back to antimus?

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Anyways, so if the outer planes are essentially neutral polarization and then they become polarized when a god resets up residence we still have to deal with the the other planes that are “unique” in the multiverse, i.e., only 1 copy exists.

And this gets us back to Orcus. If he could have transited to a plane where antimus does not consume animus (Abyss?) or where animus cannot exist (Limbo, Purgatory, Astral Plane?) then he may have been able to survive.

I chose the Astral Plane because Tom passed through it. Tizzy could have set things up so that Orcus’s animus survived in the Astral Plane. He could have siphoned some of Orcus off to create Tom and when Tom passes through it rejoins and forms Tommus. Or Tom could have simply been close enough in personality (animus pattern?) so that when he passed through the Abyss it dragged Orcus along and Lenamare merged them with his demon binding spell.

It all comes down to the nature of the multiverse and how animus/antimus is handled in various planes that could reveal how Orcus’s memories survived. If Tom ever remembers falling at Etterdam then we will know that isn’t because of Tartarus but rather because Orcus is him or is inside him.

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Just checking in on the ETA for Alpha1 since the week is almost over. Trying to figure out whether I should set some time aside Saturday/Sunday to go through it or not.

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Based on a re-read of books 1, 2, and 3 (specifically Appendix II: Introduction & Overview of Time, Space and the Multiverse) I have a theory as to how Orcus could have survived his “death” on Etterdam.

First, we know that if a person is on the material planes and dies (not destroyed by antimus) their animus will fade into nature. However demons (and presumably gods) whose mortal form when slain fade to their home plane.

However! We know that animus on the astral plane DOES NOT FADE and could exist indefinitely. We do know that the astral plane only contain animus and mana.

I theorize that the astral plane could be used to filter out antimus and animus from an infected being. Perhaps the antimus is shunted to a negatively charged version of the Astral Plane.

The problem is that the Abyss and the Astral Plane are described as being just one plane across of the multiverse and that parts of the mutliverse have varying ratios of antimus and animus.

This leads me a second pondering. If there is only 1 Abyss does that mean that parts of the Abyss (and the Astral plane) have varying amounts of animus and antimus as well? Or are there instead multiple multiverses and each multiverse is defined by its A+/A- ratio? This could in turn mean many Abyssal and Astral planes with there being 1 per multiverse.

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FYI, the quick reply is bugged. It “posts” but then nothing appeared in this thread so I’m using the normal post reply function.

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So, based on existing lore we seem to have 2 viewpoints.

Viewpoint #1 – This one is held by wizards and is taught as part of their standard curriculum per Lore & Bk1. All “Planes of Men” worlds are nothing more than alternate reality versions of Astlan as a result of divergent timelines. The more extreme the difference the farther back the divergence. This would seem to include geography and astronomy.

2 worlds = same space, alternate timeline

Viewpoint #2 – This one is held by animages, gods, and demons. All “Planes of Men” are in fact different, unique worlds within the same timeline

2 world = different space, same timeline.

From there we expand to the concept of multiverse. While wizards view the multiverse as being a collection on non-Man planes and an infinite number of alternate worlds the animages/gods/demons instead view the multiverse as being an alternate version of a universe.

Is this correct? If yes then I’ll add in the rest of my logic regarding the Abyss/Astral planes and how Law/Chaos/Animus/Antimus come into play from the animage/god/demon POV.

Edit: HOWEVER, this seems to have been modified in book 3 — compare Appendix II of book 3 to Appendix III of book 1.

So, if we modify this match book 3 we get a multiverse where a single material plane = 1 universe = 1 localverse = 1 timeline. Also, it seems the ratios of primal forces define a universe / localverse.

So, if Gormegast is outside the localverse does that mean it could have an alternate Astlan? Even if it didn’t, when Lt. Bioblast portals to Astlan from Gormegast which Astlan would he wind up in? Our Astlan or an alternate Astlan in yet a third localverse?

Edit: We can also say screw it and chalk it up to wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey “stuff”.

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Hm, so going back to my example of Lt. Bioblast. He is technically in a different localverse. If he travels to Astlan how do we know at which Astlan timeline he will arrive? Is it fixed, locked? How does this work in reverse? When Orcus wants to contact Bioblast how does he home in on the right timeline version of Bioblast?

Edit: I’ll be honest, this is why time travel is such a pain. The Abyss and its paradoxical nature can make things so screwy.

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Okay, so here is were things [i]start[/i] to get complicated.

Sentir Fallon is in charge of a localverse (universe) with archons who are in charge of planets. Tierhallon operates in multiple localverses. However, the Outer Planes are “tied” to the material plane aka localverses.

That being said, is a specific outer plane, e.g., Tierhallon, tied to a specific material plane w/ access to all other localverses or is just tied to all localverses?

This is important because of the Negative/Positive polarization deal. Namely:
– Does each outer plane have 100% animus or 100% antimus? Or is it a mix like w/ the material planes?
– Similarly, does Limbo, Purgatory, the Astral Plane, and the Abyss also have 100% animus/antimus or is it a mix?
– Are there 2 copies of the Limbo/Purgatory/Astral Plane/Abyss, each being a negative and positive copy and with only 1 is accessible depending on the being’s alignment towards postive/negative?

Basically it boils down to:
– How is Negative/Positive polarization handled in non-Material planes?

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Reading the segment “Introduction to the Astral Plane”

It states it was written “By[color=red] Ase Onan Archimage of Turelane 1334-1362 Ani Chronia[/color]”

The timeline entry on the website says [color=red]1135 Ani Chronia is -219 PV[/color] and reads “100th War between Oorstemoth and Vargosite Empire. Instigator unknown. Oorstemoth victorious. (However, Vargosite records indicate that all battles were technically won by the Vargosite Empire). ”

If you check the Turelane entry though it says “The Magedom of Turelane was one of the states founded after the fall of the Vargosite Empire. It was founded by Turelane al Addin in [color=red]3 PV[/color].”

Typo, website error, or just in-universe scholarly error?

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