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[quote=The Author Guy;4602]I need to come back to digest all of this–to many other fires today to do it justice.
however–Jenn should not have been in any group where Tizzy said Rupert was Tom’s son.
That would have given Jenn the idea that Rupert was a half demon. That would be a bad thing for much of my logic, in book 1,2,3 ack ack ack
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Wasn’t that book one when they conned Tizzy in to telling them why Edwyrd and Rupert were magically similar – he said Rupert was EDWYRD’s son NOT Tom’s
I was surprised and a little disappointed that only a tiny bit of chapter 141 had been added to the end. From what I’d read on the forum it sounded like you’d made more progress on last part of the book x
[quote=The Author Guy;4526]How does this sound?
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The people he had talked to, and trained, had all been good people who had not believed they were lying to him when they praised the D’Orcs and Lord Tommus. While he did not have Holy Truth Sight; his visor could accurately measure changes in body temperature, subdermal tension and other minutia that could give him an indication of whether or not the subject was lying; at least for humans whose physiology he understood. He did not know enough about orcs to be able to interpret their honesty. Alvar were even worse to judge based on his experience.
[/quote][/quote]Yes that solves it nicely!
I did wonder about Mellissance marrying Hesseforthalus with him being a multi-moutged/limbed Danubian Demon but as he transform in to a gorgeous angel-like form that makes it much less gross lol
[quote=The Author Guy;4451]Hmm,
Will review it and smooth it out. I may be trying to force things too fast.
The big key is that there are things that are actually tied.
The corruption of the Church(es) that Tiernon and Torean are worried about. I.e. the ethical question-ability of how the Rod behaved fighting Tom. They cheated, they laos used a negative energy weapon.
The slaughter of the Nyjyr Ennead followers: That is completely against the rules for Tiernon and Torean, there was no justice. The Rod was corrupted (by Exador and the Dark Apostle–although how Bess doesn’t know this is an interesting question–if she did Exador would be dead already)
It also ties out to the political corruption of Church Officials under the Anilords, recall (maybe-I think it’s here and not in CoA) that they succumbed to the anilords and basically allowed Etonia Eternia to become subject to the anilords.
And most of this is coming from Sutekh, [SPOILER]God of Chaos a.k.a. Set who is the one ultimately responsible for the destruction of the Nyjyr Ennead and the the “fall from grace” of the Churches of Tiernon and Torean.[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER]Sutekh is also a god of the Storm Lords btw.[/SPOILER]
Now on top of this, you have Aodh who is out to get Orcus as much as Lilith; albeit for different reasons. [SPOILER]Aodh is afraid of ending up in Tartarus, or more precisely Orcus using his Doomlagues to project his power onto the Outer Planes and “arrest” all of the gods and lock them up.[/SPOILER]
There is some real question, I admit, as to how culpable Sentir really is. Is he hapless pawn in over his head or what?
Let me think on this and someway to rework this scene.[/quote]
Yeah I thought Sentir Fallon knowing about Exador in the church didn’t fit. He seems loyal to Tiernon but is willing to break the rules for the greater good. Allowing an Arch Demon to be Arch Vicar General in a perfect place to corrupt doesn’t fit for me.
[quote=The Author Guy;4474]Nope.
Meant yore.
[quote]yore
yôr/Submit
nounliterary
of long ago or former times (used in nostalgic or mock-nostalgic recollection).
“a great empire in days of yore”[/quote][/quote]Fair enough I stand corrected. But I have a feeling a lot of people will not get the reference and think it’s a spelling mistake so might be better as lore.
[quote=EyeDeKay;4373]Says on page thirty five they talk about the “trap” and show them the scrying of the battle. They talk about the demons that were summoned and it says
“Three fiends, type 2 demons suddenly appear”
I thought it was Estrebrius, boggy, and tizzy.
Not one hundred percent sure but I don’t think they were all type 3.Never mind, just went to re-read that part of HH, said they are “three fiends” however type 2 demons is still a mistake.[/quote]
1st Order = Minor Demons (Imps/Sprites/Shadows)
2nd Order = Lesser Demons (Fiends)
3rd Order = Major Demon (imcluding Incubi and Sucubi)
4th Order = Greater Demon (including Greater Shadow like morthrador)
5th Order = Arch Demon
6th Order = Demon Prince[quote=The Author Guy;4289]Not sure.
It’s a question of how much/how soon do people want?
The last 20% has not increased much, yet. It’s been editing/fixing things as pointed out and adding a few new scenes.
We probably need to do a scale or versioning so people can judge if they want to “look/reread”
So if first I was Alpha 0; I am now at Alpha 0.5?
Or something like that. I am absorbing feedback and trying to address, but it’s a multiple pass approach. I know I can’t address everything in a single pass.
A lot of this stuff needs to percolate in my brain for a few days to figure out the best approach.
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Ah feeling sad knowing the last 20% hasn’t increased much but good to know your doing well with additions/re-writes
[quote=The Author Guy;4330]Yes, the Tizzy thing was a bomb shell to the readers, but for Tizzy and the senior D’Orcs it’s not that big a deal. He used to run around with a book/journal and now he’s not. It’s been 4000 years, maybe he just got tired of journallng everything, if that is what he was doing.
The D’Orcs really do not, or may be do not know what the book is either. They are not that interested in books, to them it was just one of his quirks.
Tizzy is really not that concerned about it because he knows the secret to opening it, and he’s pretty sure no one’s going to figure that secret out. And yes, the book that Lenamare has is Tizzy’s book. So Tizzy knows it is safe. In fact it is probably in the safest place it can be at the moment, now that it’s been “found” if it had never been found, it would have obviously been safer.
Tom’s got conflicting emotions that probably aren’t obvious, given what you say.
He feels he is “bluffing” these people, in regards to the Lord Tommus stuff. He doesn’t want to show weakness to “other players” in the game. Nor to people that support him. This was probably more obvious in earlier books, but he’s still doing that. So stuff happens, he tries to swing with it and pretend that was part of the plan.
So I think that is probably something I need to have him worry about more.
Tom does think something is up with Tizzy. He noted the Tiz-Arog-Dal and now the demon weed thing. But you gotta also remember that there is a lot of Tizzy insanity that we don’t see. Remember when they were all at Tom’s cave and Tizzy was having hours and hours of conversations with himself? (In many cases he was posting here in the forums)
The point being Tizzy in real life has a much much strong presence than in the books even. Meaning he really does seem to be crazy. So it’s just hard for people to believe he could be the master mind of some plot.
Now from the book thing, we know that the D’Orcs know that he is more important etc than he appears, but remember even they have a love-hate relationship with him. They are often very frustrated by him as we saw when they first show up at Mount Doom.
So anyway, Tom is suspicious of all of that. But it’s really just hard to convince onesself that Tizzy could be some sort of master mind.
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I suppose him not asking about the whole Orcus issue because he feels like he’s faking it makes sense but it doesn’t really come over in the parts when he’s worrying about the memories. Possibly needs to be made clearer in those passages but thank you for your reply x
[quote=The Author Guy;4326]Someone was wondering why Tizzy doesn’t like Reggie. Your theory would answer that.
Maybe it’s because he’s afraid that Reggie will recognize him as the guy in the dark, dark alley in Manhattan that sold him the joints? Reggie might out him as the drug dealer?
Assuming of course, that he is responsible for the demon weed that Tom smoked.
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Well Reggie did say be bought it off a guy with a big ass pipe.
Also one thing I felt when reading the alpha was that you kind of dropped the bomb shell with Tizzy in the last book and nothing really came of it. I also kind of find it hard understand why Tommus isn’t suspicious of Tizzy.
1 He was when he heard about Tizz’arog’dal
2. Tizzy is the only known supplier of Demon Weed
3. Tizzy sent to them to Mount Doom and did a little happy dance when he claimed the wand/rod.
4. Tizzy was best buds with Orcus who now Tom is ‘replacing’
5. Tizzy, a ‘Fiend’, is also involved with something as huge as Tartarus.How has he not called Tizzy on it???
Also I found Tom’s actions inconsistent with his worries about Orcus’ memories. When he visited the gods for dinner Phaestus said one of them was a god of reincarnation and would be really interested and yet nothing comes of it. He could speak to Tizzy who was best buds with Orcus. Once he thinks it might be the neural interface he doesn’t even bother to talk to Phaestus about it or consider turning it off. He actions just don’t match his worried state of mimd which then dissolves tension for the reader. I kind of stopped caring about his worries a bit because he was taking any of the obvious (and easy) solutions to sort it out. It just seems if you’re going to have him that stressed he would realistically do some of the things I mentioned. Sorry to critisize as I love this series x
[quote=The Author Guy;4319]From earlier (got lost after I had to roll the VM back to undo a broken SQL installation)
—————-Well, to be fair, they say that because that’s who does it normally. A god an their agents.
You need someone who can
a) issue/divulge the prophecy to a “prophet” so they need to have a prophet, typically only gods have prophets
b) then be around for centuries and manipulate events behind the scene to make the prophecy come true. Again, typically a god and their agents.So it’s really a matter of scale/expectation etc.
If one were particularly industrious and long lived, and had a prophet, one could carry out a prophecy without being a god.
So this means that
1) Tizzy would need to have a “known” prophet that could deliver this information to people and have them believe it.
2) Tizzy would need to spend the next 3900 years or so trying to make the prophecy come true and deliver an heir to Orcus.So the question comes, is it plausible that Tizzy would be capable of arranging all of this? That he would know where the wand was, and could manipulate events sufficiently to bring it all to fruition?[/quote]
Well the prophecy did come from Tizz’arog’dal which could well have been Tizzy himself. It was his idea to go to the crystal caves. He almost certainly supplied the demon weed which resulted in Tom being demonized. Also he clearly knew what was going on Tom claimed the Rod/Wand as he was doing a happy dance coz he so excited. Which is to mention nothing of the fact that at the end of book 2 he said I wrote it down in my book. As it is written it shall come to pass. He confirmed the prophecy came from him. And if he is a mere second-order demon why is it that the ‘Great Lenamare’ can’t open the book??? Hmmn? Lol
Good to hear. I usually check the forums every night before bed. I’m in England so I’m in a different time zone to you all I think. Also eagerly awaiting alpha 2 – write write write lol
[quote=The Author Guy;4273]The best example we have is Tizzy, who is, presumably over 72,000 years old, since Vosh Anon was D’Orc’d 72,467 years ago. I think one could guess he’d have been at least 73,000 if not older…
But he’s still a Fiend, hasn’t progressed, and hasn’t Phoenixed.[/quote]
Yes but is Tizzy really just a Fiend? We’re told a God is necessary for a prophecy to come to pass and we know Tizzy is involved with the Orcus Prophecy!?!?!
