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That’s a very good question.
I am guessing rather sickly.
Vampires don’t depolarize here, but they do generally feel quite sick.
Not sure what a d’Vampire would be like.
On the other hand, dhampires do fine down here. Well, other than falling of their D’Wargs way too often. But I think Rhede learned his lesson and won’t fall off again.
That’s a good question and it applies to avatars as well.
Remember avatars and demons, by default have what we call animus-body’s, that look and act exactly like real bodies, but aren’t. There are some definite nuances and a lot depends on the age of the avatar/demon as well.
We are pretty much agnostic to animus-antimus, it all looks the same to us, so when we go to a world, our polarization flips to align with it, and don’t notice anything. Maybe a tingle, but since we aren’t polarized in the Abyss, no matter what polarization world we go to, it’s the same.
Now, that being said. We can also “incarnate” Antefalken did this once, he’s mentioned it a couple places. It was reward he got from an archdemon for a good ballad. In his case, he incarnated as a human baby and lived an entire human life (a long one) as a mortal, but with his own memories, self etc. That’s where all that stuff in Northern Norelon came from that’s named after him. He was a famous human bard in Astlan (but after he first became a demon)
Similarly, in the book II, Beragamos has trouble getting through Lenamare’s wards, so he has to incarnate–he incarnates a real material body that looks his own age. But it is a real body that eats/poops/sleeps. He astrally projects into it, and out of it. He has to secure it when he goes back to Tierhallon (it goes to sleep). It had been staying with Daniel in Freehold, but is now holed up in the Citadel of Light.
That’s a real body, made from matter and animus of a (so called–because it’s arbitrary) positive world. Hilda has a mana body (and was able to make it through the wards because she’s a saint vs avatar–and this is one of those nuances I mentioned–avatars, saints, demons, demon princes, gods and a few others—not all immortals are identical in nature–but this probably won’t be discussed until book V or so)
If that body went to a negative world, it would start to decay very quickly and he’d need to replenish it with flesh, not unlike a ghoul–actually very much like a ghoul–but there is another term for this and I forget it at the moment. It hasn’t been mentioned as it doesn’t come up that often and most people don’t realize such a being is something different.
Anyway, that being said, in the case of Beragamos, he’s more than powerful enough that in the new world, he could “cure” or reallign his material body and fix the issue. An average plane traveller would not be so lucky. Of course, if Beragamos returned to Astlan, he’d need to “cure” his body again the other way.
So…we are getting out of my paygrade…talking about the outer realms.
And we are getting into Book IV territory, in which we deal exactly (or sortofly) with this sort of thing.
The key point is that the Outer Realms are immaterial reflections of the prime material plane. Notice how people keep talking about Refleca glasses etc.?
Refleca is not real matter, it is “reflected matter” and so, you only need one physical item, and those who know how to do so (and have the mana) can generate as many “reflections” of that object as they wish. [i] [So, in “heaven” everyone gets their Precious][/i]
The key piece, and this is discussed both by me in the Abyss, with Rede, and by Sir Stainsberry to Talarius….physical matter cannot exist in the outer planes, it’s a purely spiritual plane–except for things like refleca–anyway, above my paygrade and time to type….
Physical matter can only exist in the Outer Planes if it is wrapped in a “bubble” a pocket dimension, not unlike a Bag of Safekeeping–except–maybe–a lot more.
So, recall in Book III, when Tom retrieve’s Excrathadorus Mortis from Tierhallon? He had to find it “inside one of these bubbles” which I believe was mentioned by a couple people.
This bubble can be positive or negative, depending on who makes it.
The point being, the Outer Planes are pure spirit, and it’s neutral, since the polarization is a function of the material plane (which is why the Abyss, and Outer Planes are not polarized).
[size=6]Why The Abyss screws over undead is because, unlike the Outer Planes, you can physically transport matter into the Abyss.
When a demon fades in and out, they are astrally traveling. But when Tom opens a portal or Exador an Abyssal Switch, physical matter is transported to the Abyss.
And it’s the BINDINGS of matter and spirit that get screwed up by the de-polarization. Pure spirit would be fine, you could astrally travel to the Abyss from any positive or negative material plane and be fine, if you were, say, a “material girl” You just don’t want to go there if you are mixed animus and animus-generated matter.
Does this make sense…
[/size]Ah, I think I may see your confusion.
You are thinking about the original magical nature of EM and the inky blackness inside the giants as antimus, yes?
In hindsight, T-A-G was very sloppy to allow that confusion. Shame on him.
It gets complicated, and things are different for animana bodies or whatever you want to call what demons and avatars have and their corporal forms but…simplest answer is this.
The Abyss and Outer Planes are not affected by what Egary Gygax called the Positive and Negative Planes, or the polarizing forces of both animus and matter. Producing animus and antimus and matter and antimatter.
So, in those planes, polarization just doesn’t exist and all animus is animus and matter is matter, except there is no matter in the Outer Planes and the Abyss is–difficult to reconcile.
However, when an immortal spirit in a mana body as we sort of call them–our true forms—travel to a material plane, our animus takes on the polarization of that plane, so anything that antimus on that plane is antimus to us as well because we don’t come into the plane “the wrong way”
See, it’s that “wrong way” that creates the problem. In theory, one should never ever see “antimus” in any plane (regardless of polarization) it doesn’t show up there “naturally” by which I mean the normal order of physics for the majority of material planes.
However, certain individuals (loosely called necromancers or necromasters) can do things (usually cast spells) that brings it into the plane, and when it does, it has certain benefits, i.e. it is easier to bond the antimus version of someone’s spirit to its dead body, or some other dead body than doing it the “right way” (Resurrection)
It’s the act of necromancy (on a magical world) that twists what might otherwise be neutral or same polarization animus in such away as to reverse its polarization and thus they can bind it to the dead flesh.
The point is, someone or something is expending mana to turn animus into antimus in a given plane so that it keeps dead bodies alive.
I.e. I use necromancy to resurrect your grandfather’s corpse. Say with his soul. He wasn’t antimus in his real life, but in order to bring him back and bind him to his flesh, I have to “make him antimus”
It is not a natural state, it’s a twisted or “skew” state of animus within that particular material plane.
As far as soul sucking swords and such? That is a higher level of necromancy, and it comes from the skewing—but what’s happening there is that raw negative material energy and antimus are coming in direct contact with animus unshielded, and the animus and equivalent antimus are destroyed like matter and antimatter colliding.
Again, it’s a very artifical magical thing and some “evil” types really like creating such nasty things.
What Tom was seeing inside the giants was basically a necromantic antimus field shielded by flesh, surrounding the animus core of the giants. They were basically prisoners inside their own “negatively animated” bodies. I.e. there was an antimus spirit controlling their bodies (like a corpse with someone else’s soul) and they were trapped inside.
Does this make sense or just add to the confusion?
You know which one I am hoping for? Yes? :d/
Tizzy
Yes, all true.
Think of “soul sucking” devices as animus, antimus reactors then. Of course, your next question will be, what is the product of that reaction? And where does it go?
And that’s a good question, but one I am not yet willing to answer, because that might explain too much of what happened Orcus’ death.
So the point is, still the same. You have to do something to bring antimatter into a matter universe, at least in any macroscopically measured quantity. Have you ever seen an antimatter chair?
Well, a zombie is a chair worth of antimus in comparison.
The little bits we get in particle collisions and such is just floating around for exceptionally brief periods of time that no normal human can detect.
Same for antimus leakage.
Yep, you guys are correct.
Worlds in the same localverse are in the same universe and have the same physics. So spells will work the same on those worlds as on your own, even if it isn’t a “known” spell on that world.
[Caveat, there is not just one spell for the same affect, most affects can be done in different ways, sometimes with other elements]
Astlan, Avalon, Etterdam, Nysegard, Romdan and Ithgar and Targella are all in the same localverse. So most of the current Doomalogues are in the same localverse, and I should note that this universe/localverse has so many because it is tightly linked to the Abyss due to it’s laws of magic being so good at binding demons.
Visteroth and Gormegast are also in the same localverse, but, in different galaxies. Visteroth is in the galaxy Hycenth III and Gormegast in is Daedenus 1 (and the Antilles is in a large globular cluster on the edge of this galaxy).
As we will see in OOA. Those two galaxies have had no previous contact other than through Doom, so they might as well be different localverse
[SPOILER]Except for the entire plot of OOA![/SPOILER]
Plane jumping spells work about as well for other planets, they are a bit different, but not hugely different. In someways it is like the World Gates, it’s just a different address in the multiverse.
There are, however, other ways to travel and colonize in magic worlds. You will get some clues as to how it might work in a magic world in OOA.
However, both the Nimbus and the Inferno are capable of intra-Fierdal travel–but the distances are vast. They would have problems similar to your own Earth in terms of travel times.
That being said, alfar could fairly easiiy travel the Fierd system given their long lifetimes.
But finally yes…a lot of the colonization was originally done by the gods. Later in the series we will see more of this as the stakes raise.
Recall there were once a lot of other races on Earth. They were basically driven off by the Demi-Urge (directly or indirectly) along with many other events, including Ragnarok, the Nyjyr Ennead screw ups (see DemiUrge again).
Hah!
Don’t try and patent that idea…Lilith will be after you in a heartbeat!
She operates vast networks of “sweat shops” throughout the Abyss. Different shops also torture/torment/pleasure/etc the workers in different ways to get different flavors of sweat.
Same with the tear factories. Anguish, guilt, shame, remorse, every flavor of tear you can imagine!
And then of course, the huge number of blooderies (where they make blood wine).
She makes a ton of money on the blood, sweat and tears of mortals!
:d/
Anyone that posts in the forums for upcoming books will get an email from me. T-A-G treats me like a demon slave and makes me do so much of the work.
It’s not enough that I take careful notes of what happens so I can tell him the story, I also have to do errands like emailing people for him and running this website.
Originally, it was Lenamare doing it, but apparently his “wards” also cut off his Internet access.
It’d be really great to have wards to stop DDOS attacks, but…
I am pretty much immune to them since I use AOL Dial Up. If my D’iMac gets attacked, I simply hang up and dial a different access number, there are hundreds of thousands and none of them ever give me busy signals for some reason.
Yes, they are all long distance, but from the Abyss, Beijing and New York are relatively on top of each other in terms of distance.
Hey dad!
I wish there was, he’s thwarting me right and left and left and right, full circle.
He’s keeps claiming that OOA will be done “this month” unfortunately, “this month” seems to change every month.
Realistically, he’s probably going to need a long weekend or two to finish up and get to beta. E.g. a holiday.
This so called day job of his just won’t end, you would think with the “days” getting shorter, and “nights” longer, he’d be working fewer hours on his “day” job, but now his “day” job seems to be continuing past sunset. Very annoying, cause now it’s bot a “day job” and a “night job” and it’s got me irked.
However, maybe I can steal a few hints/excerpts or something and post them as spoilers.
:d/
OK, so finally located something of interest that doesn’t actually give anything away beyond what you already know.
Keep in mind this is a rough draft, not only pre-beta, but pre-alpha (whatever that is). So reading it now, it may need a bit of “loosening up” but….
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Trig gripped the bars of his shoulder restraints tightly as his dropship, Banshee Gold-1, the First Away Team’s dropship, plummeted through Oodalla-4’s atmosphere at supersonic speeds. As when visiting the Bone Wracker, this was his first time being in the lead dropship, and in fact, one of the few times he’d actually been in a dropship outside of training.Under normal circumstances, only the First Shaman went planetside in combat situations. The rest of the shamans were required to stay on board to monitor the local ӕther and be available for emergency communications. During shore leaves, he took a transport shuttle; for some reason, Trig grinned to himself, it was considered bad form to use invasion craft to deliver crew to vacation resorts. Friendly natives generally did not like being terrorized by a screaming banshee.
Speaking of a screaming banshee, they were now low enough in the atmosphere that the dropship’s air foils were creating the shrieking banshee wail that this class of dropship was named for. In ancient, ancient mythology, a banshee was a dark spirit that would attend those soon to die.
The mythological banshee would stand outside a fortress or camp and wail a terrifying shriek; those within who heard the horrifying sound would know that death was imminent. The same was true for the OCSS Banshee Class dropships; this class of dropship had air foils that generated a truly spine wrenching, teeth gritting, wail as the ship descended through the air towards its destination. It was a clear and unmistakable warning to the enemies of the Oak Clan that their death was imminent, immutable and inescapable.
Of course, in this particular instance, Trig had no idea if there was anyone to be terrified of their arrival. They had been unsuccessful in locating where the Bone Crusher’s dropships had landed. There had been no heat signature from the ships’ engines, nor radiation from their power source, and no heat signatures on land that were consistent with a few hundred orks wandering around a camp. They had attempted both radio and shamanic communications with the surface, but with no success.
“Captain!” Chim Heinzchen, the dropship navigator, shouted looking back into the drop hanger. “I’ve spotted the Bone Wracker’s dropships! They are at the mining colony!”
“Hah!” Grishnakh shouted. “Can you see the crew?”
Chim turned back to his long range vidscreen directly below the main windshield. The kobold was, naturally, sitting in the navigator’s chair to the right of Haeltha, the pilot. “We are still a ways out, but I’m not seeing any motion.”
The navigator and pilot presented quite the contrast up at the front of the dropship. Haeltha was a very good-sized woman, nearly ogre size, and Chim was a typical kobold, which meant that Haeltha was about four times the size of Chim. Side by side, the two of them tested the opposing ergonomic limits of a dropship’s pilot seats. Of course, the visual asymmetry when looking to the front of the ship, was rather minor compared to the imagined asymmetry of the two in Trig’s head. It was well known that the two were lovers, how that worked was the topic of endless speculation among the rest of the crew.
[/SPOILER]Thank you! [love]
At last! Some basic appreciation for my hard work!
I will be more than happy to bake you some cookies…or brownies…my triple chocolate brownies are very good.
I also make these demon butter drenched cheddar biscuits that go really good with lobster.
I actually like lobster, so nice and crunchy on the outside, soft and tender on the inside. And really great dipped in demon butter!
What?
Are you saying you have a problem with D’Sushi?
You eat the D’Sushi and then it eats you from the inside out?
[color=red][b][i]ME relax![/i][/b][/color]
Not him! He doesn’t deserve any cookies!
Bad T-A-G! Get those books out!
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Tizzy, I think you need to share….going into withdrawal, and starting to climb the walls…..this is not good – I’d much rather be flying….
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:-& :-& :-& [tongue] [/i] [blush]
Oh my! So sorry. I uhm…just ran out a little bit ago.
I’m going to have to make the million mile journey to the nearest grocery store to get ingredients and then I’ll make some more to share….:-”
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