Time Frame on next book
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Yes, some books just connects with us and is able to maintain that connection even after it is reread many times. It fulfils us in someway.
@Tizzy
Oh. You do care. Especially the behaviour of humans when in pain or under threats of pain… and threat of unspeakable acts. The screams, the strugglings… all so interesting.
He certainly popped that soldier!
I am sure he must have enjoyed that a lot.
And poor Verigas, Tom put him through a total emotional ringer….poor guy…
Well,I certainly wouldn`t mind becoming a beta demon for this book 🙂
Thanks for clearing up the process of this book going to Amazon(hopefully for selling a masterpiece),I can barely wait for it(and the new art,current one could have practically been done by which is not a compliment(the harsh truth)).Godspeed author guy >:)
P.S Rewrote the whole thing when I realized how off topic I went,this way it isn`t really off topic(how off topic I can get is debatable).I better go back to proofreading,been a while since I updated my thread xD[quote=Tizzy;1818]However, while he has killed quite a number of non-people he hasn’t killed any of what you or I might call people, yet…(and yes by people, I obviously mean demons…)
[/quote]It helps that killing demons permanently is a bit hard 😉 Mind you, he was actually directly responsible for the permanent death of at least one demon when he killed that poor mage miss cast a disintegration cloud during the siege of L’s school, although admittedly I doubt he realized how badly that could have ended 😉
Yes, it is hard. Unless you are in the Abyss…in which case it is much easier.
This is one reason demons enjoy proxy fights as much as the deities. Far better to wage war on foreign planes where it’s very hard to permanently loose your entire army.
So as you can imagine, demons don’t like combat in the Abyss…thus for all the various ego maniacs running around and all the drama and conflict of the court…the Abyss itself has been quite peaceful for the last several thousand years. Everyone has pretty much agreed to “take their fights outside” so to speak.
This will actually get a good amount of discussion in book ii, and then I fear it may come home to roost in book iii.
@Tizzy
Hmm. If I remember correcly. Boggy was in a brawl. Not to mention, many demons did want and tried to kill you. It might be easier but still not easy isn’t it?
There is also the fact that Demons can’t actually go to Astlan in a whim so taking their fight outside might be more than difficult.
Well, much like for humans, a brawl generally does not involve a desire to kill.
This actually goes back to the discussions about ruined buildings.
Demons do get in fights, a lot, but generally not fight to the deaths. Usually we just want to kick butt on each other.
So to clarify, I was talking more about wars between the demon princes and arch demons. Those did happen but not so much recently as you will learn in book 2.
Now, that being said…this ties into the activities of one really nasty demoness in book 2.
In a case we discover, she’s not playing by these rules and is in the business of killing demons she doesn’t like. Of course, no one knows she’s doing this (except those getting killed)But yes, demons are still very hard to kill in the Abyss, we regenerate and so we can brawl very often and very hard.
And as for off plane, completely correct. But we are talking about some greater greater demons, most archdemons and all princes in this case…war again.
Again, hitting close to home on book 2 here…
All that being said, I do note a large number of people trying to, or wishing to, do me harm. I’ve never understood that. I’m thinking they must be very antisocial…you know the stereotype of the grumpy old demon waving his cane and shouting “get off of my dungeon you young whipper snappers!”
Although I have never actually, ok may be a few times, but not that often, gone into someones dungeon and started playing with their whips and snapping them in the air or at people.
Oops. I thought you mean ‘fight’ as in the normal kind.
A demon war, now that is something worth seeing. But then, why don’t the Concordenax intervene? Or did this war happened after he was gone?
By the way, demons has a way, well a simpler way, of killing demons in the Abyss if such a thing is really something of a problem? Couldn’t the other demon just run away? You mention a war though so the victim don’t have to be imobile, which implies that this method is rather quick. Most demons can’t use magic though so this method might not be magical in nature because you imply that lower demons like Boggy can do it.
I’m really curious about what this method is.
Well usually, all the same rules apply to humans getting killed at to demons, it’s just demons are more resilient and regenerate.
However, big strong demons can hold smaller demons down and do damage to them faster than they can regenerate or use a prison to hold them. I get you in a locked room…think of Rupert dismantling the demon guard that Exador had put upon his lab. If that had been in the Abyss, the little demon would have had to escape the room physically and run away from Rupert before Rupert dismembered him.
As it was, he knew escape was going to be very difficult, so he sort of stood there and took his medicine, knowing that it would be extremely painful, but that he would live. In the Abyss, he’d have tried to escape.
It’s really no different than with humans, just harder.
However, there are some “rules” by which I mean societal understandings that that sort of thing isn’t normally done, or is only done with the approval of a higher up. Think of it like the mob.
If I kill your henchdemon, you might retaliate by killing one of my henchdemon. These are societal rules, not unlike feudal or mob rules.
This is one reason for a demon to swear loyalty to a higher up. For protection. Not all demons do this though.
Boggy and I are generally independent.
Antefalken is nominally in Lilith’s camp. Not officially, but unofficially. So for example if one of Sammael’s people permanently killed Antefalken without Lilith’s permission, she would likely see this as an affront and retaliate. If some nobody from the outback killed him who she had never heard of, she probably wouldn’t care too much. However, if said nobody from the Outbacks killed someone sworn to her, she would seek retribution.
The point being, killing other demons permanently is seriously frowned upon. Killing a vassal of someone else is a crime at least to the point that the liege can enact justice/retribution. Independents who kill each other get bad reputations and are shunned and maybe taken down themselves if they become a big enough problem.
As far as the Concordenax…well that is something I can’t answer without serious spoilers. But hypothetically, assuming the presence of said Demon All Father, perhaps he doesn’t care? Maybe he’s a very Darwinian sort, survival of the strongest?
But I will say, these current accords, or at least the “no wars in the Abyss” thing is something that emerged post a pivotal event that is critical to book 2 and that happened thousands of years ago. It is also reflective of why you haven’t been introduced to too many demons older than about 3000 or 4000 years old.
Boggy and Antefalken are both less than 1000. Younger than most elves.
Lilith is old, but don’t tell her I said so. Ramses is about as old as you might think, given his name. Similar for Exador.
As to how old some of the rest of us are, that will be much clearer in book 2 as we spend quite a bit of time in the Abyss. And we also spend a lot more time in Astlan with people of long lived races who have memories that go back a long way (big surprise: elves can be very old).
Only a of the new characters introduced are “currently human”
First of all Mr. Author, I really love your book. Wait, that came out wrong. I insanely love your book and I would love to be a part of your beta readers or if I am reading this thread correctly “beta-demons”?
Welcome George as a fellow fanatic of the book.
By the way it becomes a tradition here to sign your name in blood red text if you want to beta read the next book. Its a contract for Tizzy to own your soul.
Yes George Demon, you must sign in blood!!!!! bwah hah hah hah
Not sure there is a method other than dogged persistance, if you are in a three dimensional battle with demons in all directions it can be hard to run away, opponents can gang up on you etc. Plus, there may be big demons using WMD’s etc
Yes, Tom is “independent” I have to use the quotes to maintain consistency with book 3.
:d/
[quote=Tizzy;1401]I’m afraid the Oorstemothian’s aren’t going away…
They’re not only back, but escalating their craziness to heights that any rational person would consider insane.
T-A-G will comb through the forums and add beta list volunteers first from here.
Perhaps the romance writers have so many typos because they are writing in the throws of their own personal passion.[/quote]
Oh my gawd. They aren’t going to make a whole new chapter, added onto an existing article, to the constitution about demon slaying are they?
Oh and ugh tizzy, I got my brother to sign onto the site, told him to write it in blood…what say you give me some of my soul back for that?
@jonnyboi
Oh, a bit crazier than that, unfortunately only the plan will be revealed in book 2. Book 3 will be the implementation.
Book 2 has now turned into Book 2 and 3. This series just keeps getting longer and longer…
I have an even better reward for you, for getting your brother’s soul, we can now promise that no one will ever use the “salt trick” as discussed by Lenamare and Jehenna on you once we have you down here in the Abyss.
We demons are civilized after all.
@ziipoo
You touch on an excellent point. I believe there is some discussion of this in the Library, but not sure.
Wizards use “Bindings” to bind their demons, instead of links. They use Familiar Links on familiars which is very different.
Bindings are very much one way links that shield the holder of the binding. Basically they can send spells/mana down the links, but they don’t get much information back from the link, other than that the demon is there/the link valid. It is intentionally one way so that the demon can’t crawl up it and screw with the wizard.
That’s the HUGE difference between a Binding and any of the other Links.
A Familiar Link is used by a wizard on a familiar (cat) that is a two way link in which the wizard gets feedback from the Familiar and can basically see, feel, “possess” the Familiar. Sort of like a GoT warg can do. Except those are much more dynamic.
Also for reasons I can’t disclose now, don’t confuse a GoT warg with an Orc warg, which is like a Tolkein or Viking warg which is a big nasty wolf.
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