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All those reasons seem suspicious, but I bet Tizzy can come up with a hundred reasons to explain it all away, or just deny it.
[quote=Korwin;7807][quote=Bradyman;7804]The orcs don’t want an afterlife, they are shamanistic. When they die, they join their ancestors and nature. The D’orcs where a big change for them. [/Quote]
Their belive System is shamanistic, yes. That they WANT to permanently die on dead, is open to discussion.[Quote]Plus, there’s not really a way to automate the process. [/Quote]
Actually, there is text evidence (and it’s really clear), the only reason the did not automate the D’Orcing was because they did not want to get into the God-Business.
They have the knowhow.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure that part of their shamanistic belief was rejoining nature. I might be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that there was a discussion about how it was a little controversial when they first made the D’orcs, since they were immortal.
They don’t want to D’orc everyone. They have a process to give them an afterlife, yes, and like you said, they don’t want to get into the god business. Turning them all into D’orcs would be like every follower of Tiernon becoming a saint. Most just go to their version of heaven. With 666 different doomologues, assuming each was on a planet with a population of orcs, they would need to make thousands or millions of D’orcs a day. Thats just too many, they would run out of room. Sure it might be possible to automate that, but they would never do it for the same reason the gods dont automate a process to turn all their followers into saints.
Sure, they could maybe automate a process to D’orc orcs that meet certain criteria, but that wouldn’t be that much different from what they do now. Plus it would cheapen it for the new D’orcs that aren’t personally called by Tom. There’s a big difference between your god choosing you to fight with him, and a machine giving you powers.Korwin, thats pretty much my thought too. That or instead of different personalities, he is just that insane, and has occasional moments of clarity. Thats why the book and his notes are so important. They help him remember the important stuff so that he doesn’t get distracted for too long.
I remember seeing that now. Speaking of time…
Does time flow the same on Earth and Astlan?
Does time flow regularly in the abyss? Like can a second feel like a minute and vice versa? Or is the issue just that there is no day to define the time by?
I know they mention at one point how doom time matches up with different worlds, but that doesn’t mean that time flows perfectly, since it was just an estimation.
Could an atomic clock work in Doom? It seems like that would solve a lot of issues with time keeping, if they could just build some heat resistant atomic clocks. Since they base the time off of the frequency of signals from a cesium atom ( I’m not an expert, and haven’t researched it), they should be just as effective in a sunless world. Actually any clock could work.
The command center and Tartarus probably have some pretty advanced clocks now that I think about it.How old are the dragon demons? Were they from a previous god generation, or are they still being summoned?
GREAT. Now you’ve got me thinking about it.
Bradyman’s random theory time:
Dis Pater was a clone of Orcus, possibly split off of his soul, like with mitosis. He was his own person, but still a little orcus. Instead of being a reincarnation of Dis Pater, Rupert could be an entirely new clone, grown from Tom’s soul, either before of after he was actually born as Tom. Who knows where his soul was all that time?I had one theory, that a negative ( antimus) imprint of Orcus’s soul was stored in Excrathadorus Mortis ( I know other beings were killed with it, but I doubt any of them were strong enough to leave as lasting of an imprint as an olympian/demon prince) and when Tom turned it, he re-assimilated that fragment of soul. Which is how he has memories that should be destroyed. He could have triggered them by going to Tartarus, which would line up with how Tom believed that Tartarus itself was infecting him with memories.
Tom and Rupert could both be soul fragments/clones that Orcus made, similar to Dis Pater, in preparation for his possible death. That could have been his personal version of the phoenix cycle. If he died, Dis, who was still basically him would inherit his mantle ( and who knows if Dis had access to Orcus’s memories or if the same mechanism would have updated him like with Tom), and if they both died, one of his extras would be grown.
This doesn’t answer why it took so long though. Maybe he never suspected that so many of his followers would also die and someone important for the plan died, or maybe it was a fail-safe. In case everything else went wrong, a part of his soul, or a copy, or whatever was stuck in stasis or a reincarnation cycle on Earth until the heat died down, and he would have a chance to come back.
Or maybe its much simpler than that, and Rupert is actually his kid from the future somehow.
Actually, it might be possible that a third party incubus took some of Tom’s animus as a child and got Rupert’s mom pregnant with it. If soul soup from the wheel of life can be used, it should at least be possible for pure animus, although that wouldn’t have made Rupert a half-demon. Unless it was just magicked that way.
Or maybe he is Dis, and you’re just messing with me in which case: WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME? I was already going to buy the books, this is just cruel.
I personally think that Exador was so surprised about Elrose because he was part of a culture that looked down on certain types of magic as useless in combat. Just because he is a demon doesn’t make him omniscient. He had never seen someone use magic like that, so he had no reason to think it would happen. Plus, his response wasn’t that it was impossible, he was just impressed.
I don’t think he is a buffoon, but he is obviously trying to fight above his weight class. Any older archdemon or god would hand him his ass. He is a skilled mana wielder, but he and Ramses are too young to take part of the bigger games, at least in my opinion. Every other major player we’ve seen was planning circles around them, while they were acting like devious mortals, kind of like Tom, but not as lucky.I forgot about the D’wargs. That does explain why there are so many of them at Doom when the D’orcs don’t really need them.
How are anima jars made? Are they just gems enchanted to protect animus, or is it more complicated than that?So was it SOP for Orcus’s shamans back in the day to always carry some anima-jars around just in case? Or was it a special occasion thing, where a great warrior was chosen, and then his shaman would be given an anima-jar in case he died early?
The orcs don’t want an afterlife, they are shamanistic. When they die, they join their ancestors and nature. The D’orcs where a big change for them.
Plus, there’s not really a way to automate the process. It took a lot of mana and work for the D’orc he made. Maybe, if he completely changed everything he stood for and created a god pool and and outer realm, he could have the same set up as the other gods, but why would he do that? He has Doom to give him mana, and the orcs aren’t big on gods.Speaking of automation, does Tom need to be part of the D’orcing, or can someone with a link to him accept the link on his behalf, and have it act like the different levels of saints and archons? Obviously it would be kind of a slight to the first D’orc to not have Tom accept them, but if the commanders started accepting their own recruits, and the links all led upstream to Tom, that wouldn’t be too different.
Will we see any after-death D’orcinations in the upcoming books? or canonizations of saints? It would be interesting to see the differences in the different processes. Plus there are plenty of minor characters taking part in major battles, that can die heroically and get ascended/descended. Tom really needs more D’orcs and he has parties of orcs running around Midgard. The best part is that it wouldn’t be too sad, because even though a character would be dying, they would basically just be getting a power boost. Or one of the thousands of Shield members who fought in Nysegard. There were plenty of heroic deaths there, as well as a surplus of saints around to protect their animus from the predations of the unlife. That was one of the big issues with Nysegard, that they were losing more saints than they were gaining, there’s no way that they wouldn’t take advantage of this chance to get a few new saints.
How does the process even work? Does it start during their death, or is there a judgement after their reception to Tierhallen? What about D’orcing? Do they just summon the spirits of the dead orcs as D’orcs before they fade, or do the shamans have to do something else first? Or is there a process that needs to be done to prep the orcs before their deaths, like how the five sibling followers have links to their saints?
It should be okay, if the dragons are related to the ones in the abyss, and they have their own ways of getting to Midgard, without a summoning. They should just reform in the abyss in a couple hundred years and then head back into Midgard for some more terrorizing. Its not genocide if they don’t really die.
Actually, sine dragons reform differently than demons, and are almost impossible to kill permanently, I guess its possible that they have some way of reforming directly on Midgard, without heading to the abyss first. I don’t know hoe strongly they are tied to the abyss.
Or I guess they could be the non-demonic versions of the dragons in the abyss, that somehow migrated to the localverseThat could be a pretty good gig for a dragon that can learn english or whatever the local language is. He could give all of the village children names, and every couple they would be named after a dish, then he could keep track of them as they mature. The villagers wouldn’t know whats going on, they would just know that if they made it to a certain age without being eaten, they were safe. The dragon would probably protect his crops too. Depending on the size of the village, it might just become a fact of life, like The Lottery.
Previous generations were mentioned by phaestus in a book, and this non-answer makes me feel like something I said got close.
Well I was pretty vague. So however close that is, is close enough.
How long is a standard Gormegast year? Depending on how long it is, a standard GLY ( is that galactic light year or gormegast light year) could be pretty close. Also, depending on the laws of that universe, the speed of light could be very different.
Light years aren’t a very useful unit in the multiverse. You would have to find some sort of multiverse constant to base your measurements off of.
