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BTW, why do you keep talking about me in the third person?
If you really like “storage” you will love “Seas of Astlan: Book One” if it ever gets written/finished.
That’s the story of those brigands that stole the book and their adventures with Captain Asmeth, after we leave his ship.
Those guys have a very cool extra dimensional apartment where they keep their stuff, along with bunk beds. They call it a PHH for Portable Hole House.
They just climb down in it, and then “zip” it shut from the inside and go to sleep.
Well, no, his smuggling was before this.
They show up wanting to book passage shortly after we disembark. Their story takes place during book’s 2 and 3 and later…
Hmm,
Well, I don’t know, probably not on Earth.
Also there is discussion of this sort of thing, perhaps not so directly, in Book IV. But in terms of the Phoenix Cycle in general.
Well, that’s a complex question and it depends on the god and the relationships they have with each other.
But yes, you are right there are controls set down as to who can manipulate what, at least in most of these planes, but not necessarily in all.
At the very least, huge warning alarms should go off. Even Mount Doom has that, as will be discussed in Book IV.
Tom was able to make good headway in Tierhallon for several reasons, one, the encrypted arrowhead and two, it’s likely he had some “visitation” provisions from before as Tiernon’s brother in law. They may or may not have revoked those permissions once Orcus was dead. Good security would, of course, require it, but did they follow it?
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The animus signature is very hard to forge, of course, very few people can actually read/verify that. You’d have to have a keyed device and see that it doesn’t work.
Wait?????
Were animus signature/keys discussed in Books 1, 2, 3? Pretty sure that discussion doesn’t come up until Book IV? Animakeys are pretty complex stuff.
Have you guys managed to hack T-A-G’s server? And are reading the book?
[SPOILER]
[i]Top Secret stuff you can’t see….[/i]“Animakeyed?” Tom asked, he wasn’t familiar with the term.
“It’s a method of keying a device to a specific user. There’s a key matching algorithm on the device so that it can only be wielded by someone with a specific animus pattern.” Völund said.
That set Tom back for a moment. “So, it’s not worthiness, but a specific individual?” His stomach started to sink. How was he using the wand?
“Worthiness is a wishy wash term used by lazy lay people to explain something complex.” Völund explained. “Animus patterns are not completely unique, they do repeat, like fingerprints.”
“I thought fingerprints were unique?” Tom said.
“Only down to the resolution and quality of measurement. At a sufficiently sloppy level of measurements, two different fingerprints could appear to repeat in a sufficiently large sample.” Völund said.
“And…” he continued, “because animus changes, and grows, over time much more than mortal fingerprints, when creating an animakey, we have to allow a much wider tolerance.”
“So, it’s possible that other people could wield Mjölnir?” [i]Or the wand. [/i] Tom asked.
“Aye, most definitely. Quite a few.” Völund agreed, allowing Tom to relax. “About 2 in every 3.745 billion individuals.”[/SPOILER]
Well, I’d guess she would have been looking like a human at the dinner party.
Pretty sure Lenamare and Jehenna wouldn’t hang out with an obvious “demon”
Demon names are very carefully guarded and typically passed on from master to apprentice (or son/daughter).
They can also be sold, and if bound, name and links passed to new owner and old owner promises not summon the sold demon.
But, should someone summon a bound demon, not their, they really can’t bind it, they can torture it and give it orders but those orders are only good in the wizard’s presence/range of spells, if the demon gets out of range (of the torture spells) they can escape. A smart demon would escape, but not return to the Abyss (so they can’t be summoned again by the guy) and then wait around until the person who summoned it, but was not its bound master was unguarded and kill him/torture him etc.
In general it’s a very bad idea to summon a demon who’s name you know but can’t bind, so very few wizards will do it, except under the instructions of the wizard master.
I don’t remember if Hortwell had the ring or not, I don’t think he did, but he knew the name and probably had some other device from Lenamare to persuade Tom to do Lenamare’s bidding. Lenamare is very good with things like that.
But from what he tells me, Zarg really does like Hortwell. And feels he’s better off bound to him than someone else. It might be a bit Stockholm like, but it’s also based on experience and looking for the best deal at the time.
It is not unheard of, look at Antefalken and Damien.
Also, I will point out that Shamans and Animages that summon demons often don’t use force (they can, or might–but it’s a lot more work for them and more dangerous). They often bargain with the demon. Of course, this is a rather dangerous trial and error, but it can lead to very profitable relationships for both sides.
Some of these guys even offer up their souls to the demon in exchange for favors. That’s called “hitting the jackpot” Can also happen to djinn’s, although not as common as you might think from the tales. In particular, if you somehow bind a djinni against it’s will, you have to keep it from returning to Djinnistan or it will tell the others and then you are in the sort of trouble Exador is in.
Demons, unfortunately, don’t typically operate that way. Enemy of my friend?, that’s my friend’s problem, not mine.
UNLESS–you are bound/in service to a higher level demon. So for example, if you were to bind someone in Lilith’s service, if your demands interfere too much with her demands on that demon, she’ll deal with you (or have someone deal with you more likely) so that you don’t annoy her anymore. On the other hand, if she’s somewhat ticked/annoyed/bored with her demon servant, the wizard might get lucky and never know how close they were to destruction.
Demons age and grow through their experiences, good and bad, just like everyone else. The demons who don’t get bigger, or do so very slowly, generally aren’t doing much. E.g. sitting around drinking. However, being bound in service to a master and working hard to figure out how to screw the master over is a generally a good way to learn and grow as a person, and thus get strong. What doesn’t kill you makes you strong…unless it just wears you out…
Well, the loyalty thing is not exactly a “needed” thing so much as a “useful thing” What benefit you get or etc is between you and your liege.
You note that several princes are not tied to anyone else. In fact most are generally independent.
So, like anyone, demons form alliances to protect their interest, what form those alliances take are up to them. The liege thing, and however “tight” it really is, is just one form and used in TheCourts.
Orcus was always stand alone. But then, given his friends, who needs vassals? Ptah, Singkun, Loki, Volund, etc are some of his most immediate truly immortal allies. Oh yeah, and his kid, Dis Pater.
You also have to remember that Orcus has a lot of complicated relationships already. He is nominally an Olympian, and he’s got some powerful in-laws, one of whom not only tried, but succeeded in killing him.
Rede’s a bit short and not quite blue enough to be Loki. I mean, Loki wasn’t/isn’t always blue, he could/can be whatever color he wanted, but he was several feet taller than Rede.
Also, we only assume he is dead since no one has seen him since he bravely sacrificed himself to close Asbru and save midgard from the Aesir.
I’ve heard that’s actually a real problem.
Stories of people who’ve reincarnated, particularly to a different localverse…and then some super power shaman or priest tries to resurrect their old self and just won’t take no for an answer.
Actually, I think that’s more a shaman thing because you’d think a priest would be using some sort of avatar who would notice what was going on and just return a “busy signal” but what do I know. I suppose if the worshippers and priests were willing to make a big enough sacrifice the deity might just rip the person out of their current body.
Would have to think that hurts like hell. But it wouldn’t be that different that what happens in a demon summoning, except the individual isn’t willingly out of their body, so you are ripping out the soul by force.
Although…actually, if you finesse it, and don’t cut/rip/tear the astral cord, the new body just might go into a coma.
We know that some astral travelers have bodies on multiple localverses and the empty bodies just appear to be asleep, their astral cord isn’t severed, it’s just attached to multiple bodies.
Hmm, maybe I should visit a coma ward and see what my demon sight reveals. I can check to see if their full spirit is in the body, or if it’s just sort of minimal life support with an astral cord going out. I mean, those that can do this tend to have a lot of animus because they have to spread it out over multiple bodies and you have to have at least so much or the body dies, or limbs rot, etc.
Hmmm
Guess it’s time to take a exploratory trip.
Tizzy
Asgard is a special case.
They purposefully built it so that you couldn’t directly access Midgard from there. They used Asbru to get to Midgard, and some other places. It was a defensive maneuver, think of it as a drawbridge to their castle.
Now that being said, there is a rumor that there is a path through Jötunheimr, which would not be easy, but I believe it was only known to Odin, or at least, so he claimed. But he’s dead now, or so we think.
All of those are good questions, the problem is, we don’t know the answers.
Obviously, we were looking into it, but only had a few hundred years before other problems started appearing, and by other problems, I mean the gods be damned alfar of course along with Lilith & Sentir Fallon and the Dark Apostle and some other allies we aren’t that sure of yet.
That sort of distracted us for a bit.
One presumes that some of the gods have survived, I’ve heard rumors that Magni and Móði are wandering around, apparently they even signed a deal with Netflix, but then, seriously who hasn’t? Other than, of course, me. Can’t get their suits to return my calls. Very frustrating, I figure we should have had at least a 3 season commitment by now.
If they did survive, one presumes they are working on rebuilding their bridge so they can get back to pestering people, not to mention collecting mana from their followers….
Allusions/aspersions to the side…
We don’t actually know how old Rupert is, we know at some point he “stopped aging” because the older he got, the more he looked like a demon, so he shape changed into his apparent age to prevent more changes.
And we do know the time difference…or at least I do.
The actual years are the same, they just divide up differently. It’s actually a weird sort of coincidence….
Hmm, this sounds a lot like people coming from one of the litRPG universes, those are really funky “paired” universes, although “pair” is not really accurate, more like tuples, or ntuple multidimensional arrays of localverses that are tied together in such away that people can easily inhabit multiple bodies–see my comments in that other thread that’s active at the moment about priests and shamans trying to resurrect people who have already reincarnated.
In these linked worlds, it’s much easier to have multiple bodies due to the intertwining of the localverses.
However, hhhmmm, I should talk to a wizard about this, or really Phaestus or Volund a good manageneer, because I supposed with any sufficiently complex twisting of perceived localverse topologies you might be able to “fake this” and more easily map souls to multiple bodies…hmm…that would be a big break through.
So, to be honest, I’ve never seen this happening in Astlan, so not sure what I’d see. If I knew where they were, I’d go check out their auras.
BTW I’ve spent some time tormenting people in both Neverwinter on Faerûn as well as the city of Greyhawk. Nice people, and if you shake them hard enough these little “animus” coins called “XP” fall out of them, and they are quite tasty, sort of like those chocolate coins but with a bit more of a “rush”
