Discrepancies from book 2
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[quote=Mikey;5761]If he were to mention a potential decapitation incident to someone, it wouldn’t be too long until all kinds of people would be conducting experiments in that category on the school’s young pupils.[/quote]
[lol] I shudder to think what Lenamare might try? Is he going to Bind all of his students and see if it takes?
[quote=The Author Guy;5765][quote=Mikey;5761]If he were to mention a potential decapitation incident to someone, it wouldn’t be too long until all kinds of people would be conducting experiments in that category on the school’s young pupils.[/quote]
[lol] I shudder to think what Lenamare might try? Is he going to Bind all of his students and see if it takes?[/quote]
Ah, but if he doesn’t know that the soul has to be off-plane then he’s just going to have a lot of dead students.
One of the differences between the Astlan series and many other fantasy series is that the concept of power levels is pretty subjective. You’re powerful, if people act as if you were powerful. People act as if you were powerful, if they think that they have reason to believe that you’re powerful. Reality is nowhere as important as perception.
Elsewhere on the forums we have a discussion regarding the mirror. What does it measure? Mana radiation? The perception others have of you? Two very different possibilities.
Very good point.
It’s was Lesteroth Garflog or one of his buddies complaining about how stereotypically handsome Tom is. Sort of like the Hollywood Movie Star version of a demon.
Also, most of these guys would have dealt with him most frequently in his human form. They are humans most all the time. So while they would have seen his demon form, one could wave it away by saying he looks like a stereotypical demon.
Beragamos biggest clue would be when he saw Tom walk into the CCC.
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[quote=Mikey;5820]One of the differences between the Astlan series and many other fantasy series is that the concept of power levels is pretty subjective. You’re powerful, if people act as if you were powerful. People act as if you were powerful, if they think that they have reason to believe that you’re powerful. Reality is nowhere as important as perception.
Elsewhere on the forums we have a discussion regarding the mirror. What does it measure? Mana radiation? The perception others have of you? Two very different possibilities.[/quote]
And that has always been a goal of mine. Starting with the logic of how powerful you are when you first arrive, it keeps going on.
This is how it is in the real world.
For example, imagine if you will:
{Not a spoiler, but contains graphic, unfun, real world facts}
[SPOILER]A loud mouthed loser con artist who’s managed to squander vast sums of inherited money, but hides it well and manages to brazenly BS the world for years, convincing everyone that he’s a self made man, a financial genius who’s made billions of dollars, even though given the amount of money he started with, if he’d just stuck it in an Index Fund in the 70’s, he’d have 2x as much money today as he actually does have. If he’d taken all of it out of the Fund in 2008, at the bottom of the market crash, he’d still have 50% more than he actually has today.
However, he’s good at spin, so he can convince people that’s “He’s the man with the plan.” “He knows how to fix things.” He doesn’t need to even tell people the details of non-existent plans, he can just say “Trust me! I’m a big success, just look at my gold furniture, my steaks, my vodka!”
And people believe him and they trust him with their children’s future, and the future of the planet.[/SPOILER]
Perception is every bit as important as reality.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of very good-hearted, sincere people who don’t understand this. And a lot of cynical manipulators who do.
[quote=Jerry;5839]And a lot of cynical manipulators who do.[/quote]
The first rule of the cynical manipulator club is that if this is your first visit, the drinks are on you.[quote=EyeDeKay;5819]
There are 3 archdemons and only 1 greater demons according to the mirror.[/quote]
Besides the question of how the mirror categories the demons, we also dont know, who at that moment of time, was really in the City.We don’t even know at this point, if Rupert (=Dispater) was really recycled.
He could have been one (besides Tizzy) of the instigators of the prophesy.
An non-newborn god should be able to fool the mirror.I think it will be a few books, before we will really know who the mirror showed…
Yes,
There is a huge question on how Tom, Rupert, and Bess show up.
Tom and Rupert, even as demons are questionable at to their real level, and if they are gods? And what about Bess?
How do gods show up? Do they show up?
One might think that Bess would have a seriously hefty disguise on if things like the mirror could detect divinity. She’s deep under cover.
Technically, they are violating the Balance. They were signatories.
We know what color Rupert was, he showed up when Talarius looked at him in his tent. The 3 arch demons are Exador, Ramses, and Tom, because Bess in her demon guise didn’t show up yet, it was only exador and Ramses the night Talarius used the mirror. Rupert was considered greater demon level.
2 important question, do the SL know Exador and Ramses are demons?
When Hilda and Co steel war arrow did she pick up all of Talarius’ stuff? There was that whole first ruiden scene where he destroys the tent, but Talarius still had lots of other magic stuff in there.
Meaning did he also get the mirror?
They still possess a godpool, so presumably yes they do have an outer plane. Given who they are I suspect each of them belongs to multiple pantheons so they have a personal godpool and outerplane somwhere even if it isn’t the shared Nyjyr Ennead pantheon outer plane.
Beragamos remembers reading a report that their outer plane collapsed, but Bess and Sekhmekt have pools. Hephaestus has one as a dwarven god. They still have the souls of their followers, but where are those souls located? Presumably in an outer plane since the animus would not cease to exist (sort of).
Also, they seem to be signatories prior to their outer plane collapsing. That doesn’t abrogate their promise to adhere and they could establish new religions. Imagine if Tiernon had 2 religions going and he only signed it as a member of 1 pantheon. No way the Tribunal would accept that. Otherwise Tiernon could violate it under the guise of the non-signatory pantheon.
[quote=Iume;5933]Beragamos remembers reading a report that their outer plane collapsed, but Bess and Sekhmekt have pools. Hephaestus has one as a dwarven god. They still have the souls of their followers, but where are those souls located? Presumably in an outer plane since the animus would not cease to exist (sort of).
Also, they seem to be signatories prior to their outer plane collapsing. That doesn’t abrogate their promise to adhere and they could establish new religions. Imagine if Tiernon had 2 religions going and he only signed it as a member of 1 pantheon. No way the Tribunal would accept that. Otherwise Tiernon could violate it under the guise of the non-signatory pantheon.[/quote]
Yes, that was the interpretation of others. They went under cover.
They are using the giant animus wheel on Uropia (Wheel of Life) and anima jars, Osiris is reincarnating people as fast as he can. Needless to say, there is a lot of sex going on up on that moon.
They may have some other bases as well, we just haven’t peered close enough in to their activities to know for sure.
Yes, they are definitely signatories, however they are running under the radar pretending to be “dead”
Now, the exception would be, or the one they would argue, is if they are “invited” into the Abyss by a resident, then they allowed to be there for short periods “to visit”
This is how Loki could come to visit, as well as Phaestus. Orcus invited them, Orcus was “officially” a member of the Courts—so technically, he would also have been a signatory, hmm, we are getting legal technicalities here.
Anyway, he invited Hephaestus, and I am sure they would argue in court that Orcus had extended an open invitation to them. They’d only been “vacationing” for the last 150 years. That is a very short period of time.
The point being, if it gets to the Tribunal, things get very messy and so numerous people would like to avoid this.
[quote=EyeDeKay;5937]do the SL know Exador and Ramses are demons?[/quote]
Yes, very much so. The Dark Apostle worked with Exador before around the time he was Vicar General.
That’s also how they knew about plan E.
[quote=EyeDeKay;5937]When Hilda and Co steel war arrow did she pick up all of Talarius’ stuff? There was that whole first ruiden scene where he destroys the tent, but Talarius still had lots of other magic stuff in there.
Meaning did he also get the mirror?[/quote]
They did, a lot of it had been in his Bags of Safekeeping.
The mirror, however, was turned over to Sir Sorel to continuing scanning, he is still at Freehold
FYI: The Knights Rampant that we have heard of are:
Baxtion (Deceased somehow tied to Talarius)
Etrian (went Vampire, staked by Talarius)
Etrias (Brother of Etrian was not at Freehold)
Gadius (on Inferno)
Gaius (on Inferno)
Kiernon (Deceased somehow tied to Talarius)
Serah (on Inferno)
Sorel (At Freehold with mirror)
Talarius (Apostle of Doom)
Trian (Deceased, father of Etrian and Etrias, somehow tied to Talarius)The deceased knights, tied to Talarius are casualties of Talarius leading people into battle and being the only one to return, with the exception of Etrian who he staked shortly before Book 1.
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