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Ok not true immortality but would she ever die of old age like other Djinn since she will be in the abyss with tom 99% of the time? If she will still age in the Abyss why? And if she won’t why did Orcus have more then one Djinn in the past?
If mortals in the abyss are immortal does that mean that Tammarine is immortal as long as she stays in the abyss with Tom?
[quote=Rakshasa;7320] Orcus became a demon by declining to join a Pantheon, and setting up shop in the Abyss. Very much like how Bestat “became” an Arch-demon by making a Demon body for herself. Being a demon isn’t an issue for him, because as he doesn’t maintain a God pool or belong to a pantheon he isn’t prevented from using them…. Doom serves as both for him.
He was able to attend the wedding, because he was invited. Remember Doom isn’t a signatory of the Concords of Conciliation. He slips through the cracks that way, because he didn’t agree not to enter the outer planes. If he was a signatory, he wouldn’t be able to go without breaking his word.
As for Lilith and Sammael, pretty sure even if Sam knew that Orcus was a god he still wouldn’t work with Lilith. He was never on bad terms with Doom, and anything that hurts her is god for Sam. It would make Lilith shit herself no doubt, just like the realization he controls Tartarus (and was dead for 4000 years) would frighten any sane being.
Ultimately though, other than the whole phoenix cycle thing his being a god is mostly not significant. He doesn’t have a god pool or a pantheon pool, so without Doom he would be more or less on par with the Demon Princes. Especially since he doesn’t do any normal god duties… i.e. afterlife and that jazz. He does blur the line with creating D’Orcs. That the Demon Princes don’t try to make more demons isn’t because they can’t. They choose not to… probably because most of them never managed to find a ready pool of people that would line up to become demons, or they simply don’t care enough about events outside the Abyss. (Mostly the later imo, Lilith doesn’t seem to give a damn about anything except the Abyss)[/quote]
That makes since however if its all about incarnating as a demon why didn’t one of the demons in Freehold show up in the mirror if Bastet is incarnated as a Demon then she Ramzy and Exador are the 3 Arc Demons and we know that Rupert shows up as a low level Greater demon in the mirror there was 2 strong arc demons 1 weak arc demon and one weak greater demon there is one missing I thought it was Bastet but then later Tizzy explained that she was incarnated as a real demon even if she smelled like marzapan so then who is missing in the Demon scan? So its again an issue of either Incarnated gods don’t show up as demons on the scan and if that’s true then wouldn’t Tom not show up because he is a Reincarnated God? Also all demons are under the Concord of Consiliation according to what I understand weather mount doom signed or not him being in the abyss doesn’t break the balance because as a god he didn’t sign but as a demon going to the wedding and being a demon does actually go against it and would require punishment from the demon signatory’s. Maybe i’m over thinking this
Since Orcus is a God and theoretically a Demon no idea how a god became a demon but thats besides the point. Isn’t Orcus unwelcome in both the Abyss and Outer Realms? How did he go to a wedding that i’m guessing was in the outer realms and why hasn’t anyone that knows hes a god just told Lillith and Sammel that hes a god so they will have to deal with him together?
Ah I figured after the successes of the first 3 volumes of the book T-A-G would be a millionaire and could ignore all the crazy people and just deal with the crazy demon in his ear XD. Its good to have an update thank you Tizzy.
Was there a Mind Reaver involved in the Melisant debacle :-({|= ? Everyone was sure she chose Unlife of her own accord however now they don’t know why they would have believed that ](*,) . That as I understand it is a sign of a Mind Reaver that can make people think that what they did was of there own choice [-x .
We all know that Tizzy can use the transformation ability from him killing the mind reaver. So did he take Orcus form and sleep with Ruperts mom to make his prediction true using a sliver of Orcus’s sons soul? In turn is Tizzy ruperts real dad?
Would a Dampier in the abyss need to feed anymore? I know Vampires and Gouhls couldn’t use this method to avoid needing to feed due to the abyss curing them of unlife but a Dampier cant be cured so being in the abyss would they still need to feed?
Good point thank you both for the explanations Baragamos motivations make much more since I always like to know what motivates characters to act how they do so i can understand who they are. As for the spiders I took Hephaestus using them in all his gate rooms and the fact that no one in the abyss even knew they existed to mean that either he or Orcus created them. I guess it would be easier to have trial and errors on getting them d’arachnified seeing how easy it would be to catch a spider and a)feed them cookies (although as you said in volume 3 that is a waste of your epicurean delights) or b) smoke them like you would a bee hive I guess that could work although getting their true name to bring them from the astral plane might be difficult unless naming them yourself counts as their true name. Now that I say all this Tizzy it seems only you would have the patients and be *cough* crazy *cough* …. i mean smart enough to even try to do something like this!
Baragamos knows who Orcus really is and that he is not “Evil” also the fact that he was killed against Tiernons wishes and is not a demon prince that would cause unneeded trouble for most innocents so why during meetings does he talk about trying to find out how far flung his Macanations are spread?
Doesn’t the Phoenix cycle require a god to guide it? Like reincarnation? Who would guide Lillith and Sammael in re-birthing with pantheons they would go as a group leaving one then when they all rebirth the one that hasn’t yet would rebirth guided by the rest but with non pantheon gods such as Lillith and Sammael how would they do it? I expect that’s why you have gone insane is because you have no one to guide your Phoenix cycle so you haven’t reset and have to many memory’s.
I bet hes smart enough to get out of his “Work Contract” within a few weeks especially if his new “Boss” isn’t that bright :)! Im glad your friend got him some of those edibles were they cookies? Did you bring him to the abyss on purpose? It would have been a great loss if a higher plane got him he would just be sitting on a cloud all day and I think hes done enough sitting he needs to be active. Thumbs up to your friend.
