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2016-02-21 at 15:02 #5548
Tizzy
MemberSpeaking of Costco, have you checked out their amazing prices on dungeon gear?
I got a really great deal on a rack a couple month’s back, and I hear they are working on getting some high end, diamond encrusted platinum iron maidens for a really good cost.
We could really stand to do a Costco run here at Mount Doom, but unfortunately, it’s located in the Courts where we are feeling persona non-grata.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5550Tizzy
MemberWell, on the negatively charged part of the multiverse, according to this guy, it works exactly the same.
So over there, Unlife would have positively charged animus, but of course, they would think it is negatively charged.
So in fact, they would reverse the names. So if you could somehow get there everything would look the same, except for you.
I don’t know what would happen if someone from our side (or theirs) somehow bodily traveled to the other side, bringing a physical body that was constructed with reverse polarity. I suspect it would begin to decay very quickly.
My suspicion is that the Abyss is neutrally charged somehow. Given that animus can exist on its own here (that’s another document in the Library for Book 3) which we’ve discussed, my guess is that both positive and negative animus can exist here
But I don’t know and have no way to test…it…
Hmm, just thinking about a comment Lilith made in Book 3….or rather Asmodeus did and she agreed…undead, in this case-ghouls-do not hunger in the Abyss. [SPOILER]Melissance has not been running around munching on people around her or at least Asmodeus did not bring it up[/SPOILER] That would imply that the reverse polarization effects (rotting etc) do not happen here. That would seem like evidence that the Abyss is sort of neutral.
As to digging deep into the Abyss…yes, we’ve dug very deep in the Abyss. [SPOILER]That’s why Tom has been whining about having a crack in his basement. You know, new house troubles that weren’t discovered in the inspection.[/SPOILER]
That being said, Stranger Things has happened and we now all now know about going upside down. I binged last night, I had to wait because I had to order the DVD from NetFlix mail because as I’ve said really can’t stream over my AOL dial-up connection. This place is hell!
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5559Tizzy
MemberThat would be a good one.
I keep trying to get some lady demons to snuggle with me, but apparently Lady D’s are not that romantic.
And on that point, sure I’ve seen all these romance novels and stuff with the girl pining for the love of her life to snuggle, cuddle and be intimate with; but in my experience those teenage girls (even/especially those from Utah who claim to like vampires) are not at all romantic, even when I cover myself in glitter and try to share my emotions with them…they start screeching and yelling and running away.
It’s so disappointing. So frustrating.
And then, of course, I get depressed and, like so many people, I binge eat…
Fortunately, I am not one to let a comely morsel go to waste….
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5558Flakes
MemberAccidentally thought the title of this thread was “Snuggling”.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5557Tizzy
MemberYes, they are still around, we just haven’t heard from them since they got zapped from Book 2.
That does not, however, mean that he’s not doing what he was doing in the Beta Edition of Book 2.
I got wary of them and where they were going in Book 2, so I’ve been keeping an eye on them. Specially that box of theirs. I don’t trust talking boxes.
As you may know, three of the nefarious rogues who stole the book in the first place are with him as they stealthily cruise through Oostermothian infested waters towards Hearth’s Land and then over to a rendezvous with other nefarious types.
Not sure when T-A-G will be releasing them in their own book(s). It might become a single novel within Chronicles of Astlan, possibly Book 2 of that series.
Reminder that Chronicles is a series of individual books, as opposed to DoA which is a single book in multiple volumes. T-A-G says that Book 1: Into the Wilds will be released sometime after Apostles of Doom but before volume IV.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5556Winter
Memberi wonder if Asmeth and his crew are still kicking about somewhere,
cause there’s a certain book i want him to try and get his hands on for me
hoping he can smuggle out a copy2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5555Tizzy
MemberMmm Hmmm.
Now you are talking. I had not considered that. The material planes are forged by the interaction of the 5 Elements the fifth being spirit, the basis for animus. If said animus is negatively polarized, i.e. antimus, does that produce antimatter, instead of matter?
Very good question. I don’t know much about this, as far as I am concern such speculation is just so much “science” to me. Meaning rather shady hand waving stuff, unlike good trustworthy magic. But it may be.
I should talk to Volund and Phaestus about this. They understand science. I don’t.
Could be, it seems to make logical sense to me at the gut level. That’s typically a very good sign!
Great thought!
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5554Iume
Member[quote=Nok’umbri;3720]So, if the Abyss is neutral, would that make the inhabitants neutrally charged as well? Therefore allowing a demon to travel to either of the two parts of the universe with no ill effects?
This would help explain the weirdness in “Edwyrd’s” and Rupert’s auras when viewed by that other animage, Maelan.[/quote]
Unlikely. Antimus is what killed Orcus and antimus was killing Tom until he countered it with enough godly animus to neutralize it.
I’ve always read the weirdness as being a result of there being so much animus. Edwyrd is just a solidified animus energy pattern.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5553LCSpartan051
MemberIs it possible that beings naturally composed of what astlanians would reft to as “antimus” and everything in the “negatively charged” part of the multiverse is made of antimatter? That would be the ultimate opposite polarization, and would cause any intersection of being/planes of opposite charge to violently explode unless protected by some magic or technological device. Demons could possibly automatically shift their polarity from neutral to whatever it is in the plane they are traveling to in order to avoid exploding on arrival.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5552Tizzy
MemberOne would think, but if so, how would we know if we were on such a world?
If you are on one, it looks exactly the same except opposite polarized, if we are to believe this necromancer guy.
On the other hand, assuming we come from positive planes, our animus would be positive, does it get depolarized on demonization?
Not sure. What we do know is that non-demons do not go back to their home planes if killed on another one (material plane that is) however, demons are always drawn back to the Abyss, unless blocked. So clearly there is an attachment between demons and the Abyss.
Avatars do get sucked back to their Outer Plane, but that’s the gods doing it. Not sure what happens to a god that dies on the material plane, I assume they get sucked back to an anchor of sorts.
Gotta be honest, I really never paid much attention to the Unlife. I generally did not follow the D’Orcs into battle against the Unlife (and yes, they did battle Unlife quite a bit, but any more would be a spoiler)
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5551Nok’umbri
MemberSo, if the Abyss is neutral, would that make the inhabitants neutrally charged as well? Therefore allowing a demon to travel to either of the two parts of the universe with no ill effects?
This would help explain the weirdness in “Edwyrd’s” and Rupert’s auras when viewed by that other animage, Maelan.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5540Tizzy
MemberHi,
So, I have smuggled a document out of the Library of Doom. I note, that it was in the pile of manuscripts that T-A-G was compiling for Book 3.
It’s a bit trippy but…
[SPOILER]
Appendix III: Introduction to Animus and Mana Polarization
Excerpt from Principia Haatelis by Eibon of Cykranosh
Library of Doom Catalog Number: ßéÅçþ-69454-AD-¥ç-CXXXIVCLXIXPerhaps one of the first principles taught to me by my first master, Zylac, was that of polarization. Now, of course, most of my learned readers will assume I mean ferromagnetic polarization; however, that is but an analogue to that of which I speak. I speak here, to the central concept of life, animus.
Animus, as we all know, is the manifestation of the elemental plane of Spirit upon the physical planes of existence. It is that which when assembled according to the rules of Law produces the Soul. That which we consider our primary life force, the true essence of who we are, and that which allows us to transcend the limitations of the physical world and return to the Outer Realms upon death, or to be reincarnated in new flesh depending on our contracts with the deities of the multiverse under the covenant established Adam and Eve from whom mortalkind is derived.
In the realms in which the majority of us ‘live’ animus is a positive force, it is life and living and is the key to immortality. However, what most will not tell you is that the multiverse is bounded by more realms than those we think of. In addition to the standardly taught multitude of physical planes, elemental planes, outer planes, the singular Astral Plane and the truly hellish Abyss there are four other quasi-planes.
I refer to them as quasi planes because no one or thing may dwell upon them. No animus may ever reach them. Rather they are more like ‘forces’ that shape and bend the other planes. In particular, the physical planes and outer planes. So while many conveniently refer to them as planes, this is simply because of how people on many worlds confuse the notion of 4 Dimensional Intersections of Quantum Strings as “Planes” or “Multiversal Energy States.”
These four ‘planes’ or ‘forces’ or whatever you call them are what I prefer to think of as ‘meta-forces’ in that they work to shape the topology of the 4D Quantum Strings and their Intersections (e.g. the planes), particularly with respect to animus and mana. However, they do so in different ways. I will, eventually, get to some of the details, as I understand them in my limited manner, later in this tome; however, a full discussion is beyond a single volume.
These four meta-forces, I think that is probably the best word to describe them in simple mortal language, consist of Law, Chaos, Positive and Negative; for want of better words. These words are not at all accurate, they are but poor mortal substitutes for what the Gods know intrinsically. Now actually, Law and Chaos are a pair and Positive and Negative are a pair. So in truth, what I just told you were four meta-forces, are actually but two. Each anti-posed aspects of the other. Law/Chaos and Positive/Negative as one would expect due to the Laws of Bifurcation; but I digress.
Law/Chaos work on mana; it works to bind/unbind mana. Briefly, for this is not what I want to speak of in this text, the relative balance or proportion of Law/Chaos in a region of the multiverse determines the balance magic or technology available to planes within that realm. Where there is more Law, there is less magic and one must use technology to unleash the equivalent effects that one gets from magic. Where there is more Chaos, mana is less bound, more available for use by individuals. With such chaos, the repeatability of science and technology degrades and randomness and uncertainty creep in. Clearly, things become quite untenable at either end of this spectrum.
Similarly, in life forms, and this is what is important and why I discuss Law/Chaos in this text, is that for mortal creatures, the balance of Law/Chaos determines how tightly mana is bound to flesh. What we call the elder races, such as the Sidhe are less tightly bound to flesh and thus reflect a higher degree of Chaos. Younger races, such as humans and dwarves tend to be more tightly bound and reflect a higher degree of Law. Incidentally, the lifespan of a race tends to be, but is not exclusively, represented by how tightly they are bound to flesh. Meaning that the more tightly bound races tend to have shorter life spans than the less tightly bound. However, those lives tend to be more stable and in some ways, harder to terminate.
There are many reasons for this, and we will go into this in later tomes; but for now, as you might imagine, those that are the least tightly bound can live a very long time. However, even they are subject to the Phoenix cycle.
So after this long digression I come to Positive/Negative and we use these words emotionally, not so much scholarly. Animus is subject to Positive and Negative polarization. In this part of the multiverse, we mainly see positively charged animus. In other regions there is much more negative polarization.
Now, because both negative and positive polarizations are animus, on the physical planes, both can support ‘life’ however, within a polarized section of the multiverse, they are very different sorts of life, and in the later course on Necromancy we shall cover this. The short answer is that on this side of the multiverse, where organic life is grown with positive animus, the binding between flesh and spirit is much more integrated and thus has a higher degree of Law, and thus lower Chaos. Negative life on the positive side of the multiverse will be bound at a higher Chaotic state, than positive life. Meaning positively charged animus is more tightly bound to matter (over here) than negatively charged animus.
The key here, the crux of our discussion, is that positively charged animus, or ‘animus’ and negatively charged animus or ‘antimus’ as it is colloquially called, attract each other, even as Chaos and Law are attracted. Chaos seeks to unbind Law, and Law seeks to bind Chaos. So life based on ‘antimus’ which I will call ‘Unlife’ seeks out and tries to cancel out life based on ‘animus’ or ‘Life.’ Although of course, this is far too simplistic.
Realizing that these designations are arbitrary, I seek only to cast that which is least familiar within the most familiar of terms.
That all being said, because antimus binds to flesh, but on this ‘side’ of the multiverse it must be much more loosely bound, when attempting to reattach animus to flesh, it is generally far easier to first polarize the animus into antimus and then attach it to the flesh. Of course, this is a very loose binding as discussed, and the flesh itself was grown using animus and not antimus and…well quite frankly the Unlife inhabiting the body needs to replenish the body with positively charged animus, or the body will eventually fall apart. However, if one can acquire fresh animus to repair the body, being a Chaotic binding, one could live for a very long time.
I will also take this opportunity to note that on the other side of the multiverse (or wherever it is) flesh that is grown naturally with Unlife is perfectly stable, and over there, positively charged animus animating a body requires infusions of antimus to keep it functional. I think this is important to note. Despite popular misconception, there is nothing intrinsically ‘Evil’ with antimus or ‘Good’ with animus. Such terms are completely relative to where one resides in the multiverse. Over here, antimus is seen as evil, on the Negative ‘side’ of the multiverse, animus is seen as evil.
Where the questions of good and evil come into play is the methods needed for sustaining a decaying body. Such methods are typically seen as unethical; and thus referred to as evil. A concept, of which, I am sure we can agree, is quite amusing and useless.[/SPOILER]
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5549Netter
MemberDoes antimus act the same as animus, except ‘negatively charged’, or does it behave differently on its own?
If it behaves differently on its own, then maybe there is no anit-abyss, but the dragons are ‘demonfied’ anitmus beings, seeing as they regenerate differently. There could be a capital city of anti-demons in the abyss, and no one has found it yet (or said anything about it), because of the whole ‘horizon-into-infinity thing it has going for it. The few dragons you see could be the anti-equivalent of demons running off as far as they can to get away from Lilith.
But if there is an anti-abyss, seeing as you yourself said the abyss is centrally located Tizzy, maybe its just the flip side of the abyss… Have you tried digging down for a thousand years or so? Maybe the ‘ground’ of the abyss isn’t infinite, and there is just another infinity of pain and suffering on the other side.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5547Tizzy
MemberI better go to Costco and get a tub (not a tube) of chapstick!
I think I might need it.
2020-06-02 at 15:22 #5546Puck
Member[quote=Gelcube;3714][quote=Puck;3706]Tizzy you wonderful wonderful demon you. I’m so happy I could get get gelcube to kiss you![/quote]
Well, I thank you for volunteering me, however “kiss” may not be the correct word. Maybe more like “engulf and digest”.
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That’s what kisses are right? o.o
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